Another blow to the folk theory.
Contrary to expectations, poor Pakistanis dislike militants more than middle-class citizens. This dislike is strongest among the urban poor, particularly those in violent districts, suggesting that exposure to terrorist attacks reduces support for militants. Long-standing arguments tying support for violent organizations to income may require substantial revision.
A new paper.
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I am not interested in discussing and citing studies on this, since it’s an inherent impossibility in any complex argument to not devolve into endless speculations on moot issues. You build a case with “logical” but not irrefutable bricks, and then people can decide whether or not the edifice is sound. There are no definitive answers. Make your best guess and DO!
I consider this self-evident. Creating a global middle class as a LONGTERM goal, where the majority of citizens have a basic and decent quality of life, de-acidifies the soil that breeds extremism. We cannot possibly extinguish all fires, but there is no better pathway morally, cost-effectively or pragmatically towards this eventual goal. I’m sure we spend more stanching fires than we would towards working as one world together with this purposeful belief in mind.
Implementing this in an effective way is a matter worthy of vigorous discussion, but the actuality that it
There’s an awful lot of confounding variables floating around. What sort of extremism? What sort of poverty?
High inequality breeds support among the poor for violence against those they perceive as rich, which should be obvious. Why would it cause them to support any other form of extremism?
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
This is interesting: Poverty does not breed support for extremism, Princeton research discovers. What do do then? http://t.co/VNuPg5vw
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
@viewfromthecave @cblatts where are the “Long-standing arguments tying support for violence to income” that may require revision?
@viewfromthecave @cblatts course it doesn’t, inequality does though…
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
RT @viewfromthecave: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? @cblatts points to a new paper http://t.co/2WOCX7eN
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/l0yPhuHu
Poverty does not breed support for extremism, from @cblatts http://t.co/yrYfIeHB
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/zTqbwYXn
It is interesting to see Alberto Abadie’s evidence in his 2006 “Poverty, Political Freedom and the Roots of Terrorism” AER paper replicated in a within country study.
it is interesting to see Alberto Abadie’s evidence in his 2006 “Poverty, Political Freedom and the Roots of Terrorism” paper replicated in a within country study. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/aabadie/povterrp.pdf
More proof that urban middle class sometimes (often?) more radical than poor or rurals http://t.co/haxwUazC
“Poverty does not breed support for extremism?” http://t.co/Rblh4cbk …another reason the aid-for-natl-security argument is not sufficient.
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/5kxp2GOs Another great find thanks to Blattman.
The paper does not provide causal evidence that “poverty does not bread support for extremism”. As it says in the conclusion “The poorest respondents in our survey are already less supportive of militant groups than others (at least those living in urban areas). While this is not direct evidence of a causal effect, it begs the question of why past changes in socioeconomic status, which are reflected in current incomes, did not have those effects.”
One way to interpret the results is: The poor and the middle class both dislike extremism. Despite having little direct exposure to violence, the middle class dislike voilence. But the dislike of the middle-class is less than that of the poor suggesting that experience matters more than lack of income in determining dislike for extremism.
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
Interesting >> Poverty does not breed support for extremism? via @cblatts http://t.co/W4jvuli5
Another die-hard myth: the link between poverty and support for violent organizations (ej. FARC?). http://t.co/xEPgu8OP
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/XdxsbwcI
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @sepiamutiny: Poverty does not breed support for extremism; poor Pakistanis dislike militants more than […] http://t.co/igF8kP52
RT @sepiamutiny: Poverty does not breed support for extremism; poor Pakistanis dislike militants more than middle-class citizens. http://t.co/ZKVmOn2F
@azelin @cblatts since I read the first article refuting this claim in 03, we’re still trying to refute it.
RT @marisaurgo: Good effort vs a tired idea @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/3Q6pFAJG
Good effort vs a tired idea @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/yfqENI91
I haven’t read the whole paper, so this may be clarified by it, but it seems the authors are conflating “negative externalities of extremism” with poverty.
If the authors are looking for the effect of the former on support for extremism, then that seems to be relatively self-apparent: of course those who are exposed to something negative are more opposed to that negative thing.
And if its poverty they’re interested in as the independent variable, why are they conflating it with exposure to extremism?
Poverty does not breed support for extremism; poor Pakistanis dislike militants more than middle-class citizens. http://t.co/ZKVmOn2F
@DannyCutherell from experience, would you’ve expected this? RT @cblatts poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/eXqLmsas
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
Poor #Pakistanis dislike militants more than middle-class citizens do, via @cblatts, http://t.co/GpulX8kZ
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
RT @cblatts: Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/07U5veon
Poverty does not breed support for extremism? http://t.co/GC3sNMMt