Morten Jerven has a terrific book, Poor Numbers, chronicling the vagaries and inaccuracies of our main measure of poverty and development: Gross Domestic Product. Essential reading for anyone studying development.
In what I can only assume made Morten’s publisher faint in ecstasy, Bill Gates gives it a rousing review.
…it is clear to me that we need to devote greater resources to getting basic GDP numbers right. As Jerven argues, national statistics offices across Africa need more support so that they can obtain and report timelier and more accurate data. Donor governments and international organizations such as the World Bank need to do more to help African authorities produce a clearer picture of their economies. And African policymakers need to be more consistent about demanding better statistics and using them to inform decisions.
I would like to see better GDP numbers–who wouldn’t?–but it’s hard for me to see the constraint on development this revelation would relieve, and why it’s anywhere close to the top ten constraints poor countries face.
The problem with those of us in the development complex, be we academics or Presidents or foundations or NGOs, is we want the world nicely ordered with levers to pull and a dashboard to monitor. And so we put a lot of energies into levers and dashboards and monitors.
I think of poverty and political powerlessness in terms of constraints and frictions–the limitless host of things, little and big, that made it more difficult to run a business profitably or turn a profit or invent a new product or get your kid educated or select the leader who serves your interests. States and institutions and norms and technology and organizations reduce these frictions and relieve these constraints. That is the fundamental driver of development. This is the basic logic behind almost every theory of development in your textbooks, from growth models to poverty traps to everything in between.
Reducing frictions and eliminating constraints is maybe the best thing outsiders can try to help with, freeing entrepreneurs and citizens to do their thing. (Well, I guess we can also help by giving them a big freaking market to sell things to, but that’s another story).
To the extent that missing information and measurement constrains development, or creates frictions, there’s a long list of more likely candidates than GDP. A sample:
- small banks who don’t know the creditworthiness of the mass of potential borrowers,
- village leaders who don’t know what funds the local bureaucrats get from the center
- citizens who don’t know their MP’s meteoric rise in wealth
- farmers who don’t know prices a district to the west
I kind of wish Gates would say “we need credit bureaus” or “we need freedom of information acts” instead.
I’m not even sure information of these sorts are even the most important frictions to address. To the extent we pay them attention or design programs, I think it’s because they seem cheaper and easier to tackle than the harder ones. But they are all a far sight better than better GDP data.
The litmus test: If we went back in a time machine, and Gates wanted to expand sales or product development or factories in Asia or Africa, would he have called for these things or better GDP data?
Postscript: The discussion continues here.
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Tradeoffs: @cblatts on GDP vs other measures of wellbeing http://t.co/hMOqNuciRi and @BillGates state or entrepreneur http://t.co/oV1Wc4slvh
Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/0OTw9HaW7A
MT @LaurenBohn: Inventions @melindagates, @BillGates are working on to help heal the world http://t.co/5CATF7AgYf cf http://t.co/Hwyna4YqJt
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/zMBZu5phWS
RT @owenbarder: Bad GDP statistics are probably not among the top ten constraints on developing country growth, @cblatts points out: http:/…
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not enough as an entrepreneur (/citizen)? @cblatts asks: http://t.co/Kk0njVs2UJ
RT @owenbarder: Bad GDP statistics are probably not among the top ten constraints on developing country growth, @cblatts points out: http:/…
RT @owenbarder: Bad GDP statistics are probably not among the top ten constraints on developing country growth, @cblatts points out: http:/…
@owenbarder @cblatts but are a hindrance in understanding an economy better so working out what are the constraints and how to solve them
Always liked Jerven’s work & he’s prob right, but Blattman is spot on; data is not the priority for African GDP http://t.co/jNCFbD00bv
@atownsendk cheka: http://t.co/Gglf7PjTkg
+1 on need for actual market data @cblatts “Bad GDP stats prob not biggest constraint on LIC growth” http://t.co/F2227qYGWS (HT @owenbarder)
Bad GDP statistics are probably not among the top ten constraints on developing country growth, @cblatts points out: http://t.co/dEADkkPoWc
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state … http://t.co/5OpIogoyC5
Perhaps devote more resources to expand poor Country GDPs than be building capacity for stat bodies… http://t.co/BBQ66vDe33
Everyone complains about the accuracy of China’s GDP data, but that doesn’t seem to have constrained growth there over the last decade or so. The information that China seems to have focused on his acquiring industrial technology.
Gates’ views do seem very top-down, but I would say development depends critically on public goods, particularly public health and transportation, and so seeing like a state (or Ostrom-like common pool resource monitoring system) is crucial.
Remember that gains from trade largely come from heterogeneous production functions, heterogeneous utility functions, and specialization and scale. Looking at a lot of rural African regions you see a smallish group of people, with similar education, incomes and access to capital, and lousy transportation options to other markets. It’s hard to see how even the most perfect of market institutions are going to give you much leverage in such a situation.
Good post by @cblatts. On Bill Gates, better #s for GDP & the missing measurements that would most help devt. http://t.co/Qq6B6TXkLO
I am reminded of the term “GDP fetishism,” and Tyler Cowen’s (I think) observation that if a state borrows to pay for a $1 billion increase in military spending, then *poof* that shows up as a $1 billion increase in GDP, even though it’s hard to see how that improves standards of living by $1 billion, and so what we really care about is not GDP per se, but its components.
Not the same point you’re making, but related.
Jervens’ book is very good, and I would not be surprised to see it appear on a development economics syllabus.
MT: “In what I can only assume made Morten’s publisher faint in ecstasy, Bill Gates gives it a rousing review” lol http://t.co/XW2txJ3bu6
RT @fp2p: Great @cblatts post. Bill Gates supports better data, but why start with GDP? How will that help entrepreneurs? http://t.co/P6r97…
Need better migration data too RT @fp2p Bill Gates supports better data but why GDP? How will that help entrepreneurs?http://t.co/vk1KXyiB9O
Should @BillGates advocate 4 GDP metrics? @cblatts kind of wishes focus on freedom of information acts http://t.co/x2ej2cIpb8 @TAInitiative
.@cblatts says don’t get too hung up on better GDP measurement http://t.co/SZcWcUWAnS … <- this goes for the ‘replacing GDP’ debate too.
Great @cblatts post. Bill Gates supports better data, but why start with GDP? How will that help entrepreneurs? http://t.co/P6r97n9gVL
I think I kind of disagree and agree with both Chris Blattman and Bill Gates on this one. I think GDP is a more important number than Chris’s post gives the impression of. Should we invest more in getting the GDP numbers right? I think so. But that is not a blanket call for more funds data collection (which Bill could be read as saying, but I don’t think that’s exactly what he means) – but rather an agenda for improving GDP requires institutional reform. You mention freedom of information – that is key for statistical offices as well. In countries like Eritrea they do not publish GDP because they do not want the share of military expenditure to be public. In Nigeria they may face a big problem when GDP is revised – with a doubling in GDP as we can expect – it will be harder to square the increases in GDP with the flat trend in poverty lines. Finally, investment in accountability and institutional capacity building should be made only in mind with what data are available and needed locally, and not somehow overnight transform the Central Statistical Office in Malawi into the Norwegian Bureau of statistics. That means putting aside global standards and global data wishlists for a minute(such as the Millennium Development Goals – is it 8 goals, 18 indicators and 48 targets? This global spreadsheet of data has to be collected by the local statistical offices) and start thinking about what information African states and citizens need and want for monitoring development.
Improving the numbers that monitor development is a pressing need. It will require some investment, but a big lump sum won’t do it. A new agenda for data for development in SSA is required – where local demand, incentives and applicability is at the center.
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/zzwl7fgwen via @TimHarford
RT @RSIW_Economics: Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/wF9rYyliqn This is a useful article for the global economy exam paper
RT @TimHarford: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? Excellent from @cblatts http://t.co/zPxUgzh3z7
RT @andrewrugasira: Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/wQjw6sdotT
Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/wQjw6sdotT
Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/wF9rYyliqn This is a useful article for the global economy exam paper
RT @justinwolfers: How important is it to develop better GDP data?
http://t.co/smXomMdLMg by @cblatts
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
“@spgroff: Columbia prof @cblatts wishes @BillGates had asked for credit bureaus or FoIAs: http://t.co/jhn15DOjLd”
Columbia prof @cblatts wishes @BillGates had asked for credit bureaus or FoIAs: http://t.co/q4853apmJq
@cblatts http://t.co/owG22rDRjI : True, but better information is also a good signal of a government’s intentions to help private sector.
The State of Gates “@cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/2PkHBLRv4K…“
RT @justinwolfers: How important is it to develop better GDP data?
http://t.co/smXomMdLMg by @cblatts
@cblatts Yes, but better data & data-driven decision making imptnt, e.g. to carry out credible constraints analyses
http://t.co/wWaLpwxrnl
Does Bill Gates see too much lik… http://t.co/Ern3xN4rrs
How important is it to develop better GDP data?
http://t.co/XYlFsJxgdu by @cblatts
Yeah, but, better GDP data would be pretty great, right @cblatts? – http://t.co/aVn1kNxG2b
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
“Essential reading for anyone studying development”, dice Chris Blattman. Pero lean su crítica a Bill Gates:
http://t.co/JnmUO75pFd …
RT @justinwolfers: How important is it to develop better GDP data?
http://t.co/smXomMdLMg by @cblatts
How important is it to develop better GDP data?
http://t.co/smXomMdLMg by @cblatts
Great article: “Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur?”: http://t.co/JHIYAWMXNg via @cblatts
RT @TimHarford: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? Excellent from @cblatts http://t.co/zPxUgzh3z7
@TimHarford @cblatts He is used to running a monopoly after all.
RT @TimHarford: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? Excellent from @cblatts http://t.co/zPxUgzh3z7
Does Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? food 4 thought via @cblatts on Bill’s data focus http://t.co/SGXjq9DhRp
RT @TimHarford: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? Excellent from @cblatts http://t.co/zPxUgzh3z7
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? Excellent from @cblatts http://t.co/zPxUgzh3z7
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? | Chris Blattman http://t.co/XFj3dTcBEv
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/uegsz1qA4U
“I think of poverty and political powerlessness in terms of constraints and frictions…” http://t.co/A0c9fE3rJa
RT @viewfromthecave: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? @cblatts digs into recent comments http://t.c…
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? @cblatts digs into recent comments http://t.co/ZKuNxVmlw3
@PMatzko Blattman’s critique of Gates’ broader argument is still on point. http://t.co/XGowxmFGCA
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
What information and data do we really need for driving development? Not GDP @cblatts argues: http://t.co/S0743FvkBG #devdata #a2i
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/uegsz1qA4U
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/uegsz1qA4U
@cblatts BTW, would love a quick chat about the new paper. I’d like to write abt it but struggling w/right frame…you in NYC next week?
@cblatts for more on Gates, Gates Foundation and Seeing Like a State, see point 5 here: http://t.co/NMzTLYIzu9
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/lGpq6FPefA
If only a quarter of those Western leaders, International organizations or institutions that some how has a connection with developing countries and the real problems has this understanding, I bet the status-quos would change. Otherwise development work is like washing a mud, it never get clean.
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/uegsz1qA4U
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/bg0qppMG5O
Interesting by @cblatts on BillGates’ lack of entrepreneurship in development by focussing on numbers not constraints http://t.co/3HkncJfs0j
Of all the info-related mkt failures, @cblatts thinks bad GDP calculations are less important than other things http://t.co/1uOD0ICred
RT @Integrilicious: THIS -> Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/8wUyCnjN5q. Also, @chri…
“Does @BillGates see too much like a state & not like an entrepreneur?” by @cblatts http://t.co/l4lkCUigH2
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
Nicely succinct article about developing country priorities from @cblatts using Bill Gates as a learning point http://t.co/kQYj39qTIA
THIS -> Does Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/8wUyCnjN5q. Also, @chrisblattman is smart.
RT @cblatts: Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
Does Bill Gates see too much like a state and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/XQE4upwsVN
RT @cblatts: Doe Bill Gates see too much like a state, and not like an entrepreneur? http://t.co/uegsz1qA4U