<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Is faith based aid a failed experiment?</title> <atom:link href="http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/</link> <description>International development, politics, economics, and policy</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:53:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Matt Scott</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12276</link> <dc:creator>Matt Scott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:08:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12276</guid> <description>Thanks Chris for the thoughtful examination of the issues. As a World Vision staffer myself, I can state categorically that the organisation forbids proselytism in the strongest possible terms. Proselytism is the giving of aid *in exchange for* some religious transaction (listening to some message or acceptance of some set of religious values, etc). Not only do the industry codes of humanitarianism (Sphere, ICRC/NGO Code of Conduct, etc) require such a focus on needs only, the teachings of Jesus (read Matthew 25:31-46) require it also. So it&#039;s not a question of being inspired to provide humanitarian and development assistance by our faith *or* by human rights values (rather loosely defined), but rather a mix of both. With 41,000 staff there&#039;s a lot of room for interpretation. Clearly, we make mistakes and some of our staff get more zealous than organisational policy allows. But we partner all the time with organisations who don&#039;t share our faith commitment, and most of the time it works out just fine. While we may differ on what motivates us, we are all committed pretty much to the same result: security, development, aid, dignity, opportunity, etc. What&#039;s clear, however, is that the work is deadly serious  - yesterday we lost six beloved staff members in Pakistan to terrorist violence. All of them were Muslims, working for a Christian NGO. Unfortunately the neat and tidy rhetorical categories that exist in blog posts don&#039;t exist in real life, which is quite a bit more complicated. Thanks, Chris, for shedding light on some of that complexity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris for the thoughtful examination of the issues. As a World Vision staffer myself, I can state categorically that the organisation forbids proselytism in the strongest possible terms. Proselytism is the giving of aid *in exchange for* some religious transaction (listening to some message or acceptance of some set of religious values, etc). Not only do the industry codes of humanitarianism (Sphere, ICRC/NGO Code of Conduct, etc) require such a focus on needs only, the teachings of Jesus (read Matthew 25:31-46) require it also. So it&#8217;s not a question of being inspired to provide humanitarian and development assistance by our faith *or* by human rights values (rather loosely defined), but rather a mix of both. With 41,000 staff there&#8217;s a lot of room for interpretation. Clearly, we make mistakes and some of our staff get more zealous than organisational policy allows. But we partner all the time with organisations who don&#8217;t share our faith commitment, and most of the time it works out just fine. While we may differ on what motivates us, we are all committed pretty much to the same result: security, development, aid, dignity, opportunity, etc. What&#8217;s clear, however, is that the work is deadly serious  &#8211; yesterday we lost six beloved staff members in Pakistan to terrorist violence. All of them were Muslims, working for a Christian NGO. Unfortunately the neat and tidy rhetorical categories that exist in blog posts don&#8217;t exist in real life, which is quite a bit more complicated. Thanks, Chris, for shedding light on some of that complexity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: KS</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12265</link> <dc:creator>KS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12265</guid> <description>Chris has raised a very important point I think but Ranil especially points the major issue in all this debate - evangelistic, impartial, delivery of aid.Faith-based does not mean evangelistic or impartial.  But neither does none-faith-based or secular mean that agencies are impartial nor coming with an agenda they want to impose.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris has raised a very important point I think but Ranil especially points the major issue in all this debate &#8211; evangelistic, impartial, delivery of aid.</p><p>Faith-based does not mean evangelistic or impartial.  But neither does none-faith-based or secular mean that agencies are impartial nor coming with an agenda they want to impose.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: S</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12251</link> <dc:creator>S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:26:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12251</guid> <description>Rman, what a despicable tone in your comments.This is why whatever &quot;the left&quot; is, I&#039;m likely to gravitate that direction than wherever you&#039;re at.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rman, what a despicable tone in your comments.</p><p>This is why whatever &#8220;the left&#8221; is, I&#8217;m likely to gravitate that direction than wherever you&#8217;re at.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joelio</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12138</link> <dc:creator>Joelio</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:45:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12138</guid> <description>Thanks for that reply, Chris. Here in Haiti I wonder the same... especially when the atheist is a foreign aidworker and the local evangelical lives under a tarp.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that reply, Chris. Here in Haiti I wonder the same&#8230; especially when the atheist is a foreign aidworker and the local evangelical lives under a tarp.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rman</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12134</link> <dc:creator>Rman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12134</guid> <description>I guess if I were a typical liberal acdemic, I would agree.  Unfortunatly the raw quantifiable data is never presented here and for some, general assumptions from the author seem to be enough for them.Maybe the research in quantifiable data, like the amount of private vs. institutional dollars, the aid worker themselves and motivation for them to be there and hopefully the actual study will include another important issue, those that are on the ground now, have been and will continue far after those academics continue to write non-quantifiable junk articles expressing personal viewpoints.Articles of this calabre are the reason the current American administration is failing and why the policies of the left are in peril.To address the authors summation:1. If the constitution forbids US support, so be it. Whaddaya gonna do?Could you please state the section or reference in the constitution that supports this?2. Otherwise, set the rules and let the faith based compete. They are here to stay; work with them rather than against them.Or better yet, get your own funding.   Apply for the grants and get those boots of yours dirty.  There are a whole lot of out of work people at Air America.  They would love to have a job writing your grants.  Next comes the actual hands on the ground workers, good luck manning that from the pool on the left.3. If there are unsavory practices, let the funding spigots be closed. Incentives matter.I believe that would be a very effective tool to demonstrate, who is suppling aid and who is willing to go to the extremely difficult places with only one motivation, to show those that are hurting, compassion.  Your not going to get the Al Frankin, Barack Obama types dirty in the field.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if I were a typical liberal acdemic, I would agree.  Unfortunatly the raw quantifiable data is never presented here and for some, general assumptions from the author seem to be enough for them.</p><p>Maybe the research in quantifiable data, like the amount of private vs. institutional dollars, the aid worker themselves and motivation for them to be there and hopefully the actual study will include another important issue, those that are on the ground now, have been and will continue far after those academics continue to write non-quantifiable junk articles expressing personal viewpoints.</p><p>Articles of this calabre are the reason the current American administration is failing and why the policies of the left are in peril.</p><p>To address the authors summation:</p><p>1. If the constitution forbids US support, so be it. Whaddaya gonna do?</p><p>Could you please state the section or reference in the constitution that supports this?</p><p>2. Otherwise, set the rules and let the faith based compete. They are here to stay; work with them rather than against them.</p><p>Or better yet, get your own funding.   Apply for the grants and get those boots of yours dirty.  There are a whole lot of out of work people at Air America.  They would love to have a job writing your grants.  Next comes the actual hands on the ground workers, good luck manning that from the pool on the left.</p><p>3. If there are unsavory practices, let the funding spigots be closed. Incentives matter.</p><p>I believe that would be a very effective tool to demonstrate, who is suppling aid and who is willing to go to the extremely difficult places with only one motivation, to show those that are hurting, compassion.  Your not going to get the Al Frankin, Barack Obama types dirty in the field.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D. Watson</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12133</link> <dc:creator>D. Watson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12133</guid> <description>You said, &quot;All are guilty of making program decisions based on their principles.&quot;One such principle is that the only salient principle is efficiency based on a utilitarian ethic or based on a human rights ethic. The constant efforts to appear objective and sweep under the rug any appearance of subjective, value-laden ethics in our efforts makes us less effective. We should celebrate our principles and value them - and yes, put them up for scrutiny - rather than be ashamed of being &quot;guilty&quot; for considering something more than we economists put in our models.While there are legitimate discussions about how to most effectively prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS, the FBO crowd has been far more interested in prevention than the non-FBO crowd, which has focused more on cure [please note the key word more - I&#039;m not claiming &#039;at all&#039; on either side].</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said, &#8220;All are guilty of making program decisions based on their principles.&#8221;</p><p>One such principle is that the only salient principle is efficiency based on a utilitarian ethic or based on a human rights ethic. The constant efforts to appear objective and sweep under the rug any appearance of subjective, value-laden ethics in our efforts makes us less effective. We should celebrate our principles and value them &#8211; and yes, put them up for scrutiny &#8211; rather than be ashamed of being &#8220;guilty&#8221; for considering something more than we economists put in our models.</p><p>While there are legitimate discussions about how to most effectively prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS, the FBO crowd has been far more interested in prevention than the non-FBO crowd, which has focused more on cure [please note the key word more - I'm not claiming 'at all' on either side].</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: edawg</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12126</link> <dc:creator>edawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12126</guid> <description>I&#039;m late to this thread so I hope people are still reading. I&#039;d add a couple quick things.Although an org like World Vision may try to separate their secular activities from their evangelical activities, this distinction is largely meaningless. I personally know WV workers who work in majority Muslim areas who do their agriculture/education projects one day, then go back to the same villages &quot;on their free time&quot; to lead bible study groups for the minority Christians. How many people in those villages understand or care whether those individuals are on the WV clock or not. From their perspective, it&#039;s all just &quot;the Christians&quot;.I think it&#039;s at least more honest to be a straight-up missionary that to play legal games of dividing your activities between your secular self and your devout self. A lot of missionaries do great work, and in my experience they&#039;re highly respected by even those local people who don&#039;t share their faith because (unlike most development workers) they come for the long haul, they learn local languages, and they build relationships. But if these people and their churches want credit for the good work they do as Christians, they should be funded as Christians. That is to say, they should be funded privately!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to this thread so I hope people are still reading. I&#8217;d add a couple quick things.</p><p>Although an org like World Vision may try to separate their secular activities from their evangelical activities, this distinction is largely meaningless. I personally know WV workers who work in majority Muslim areas who do their agriculture/education projects one day, then go back to the same villages &#8220;on their free time&#8221; to lead bible study groups for the minority Christians. How many people in those villages understand or care whether those individuals are on the WV clock or not. From their perspective, it&#8217;s all just &#8220;the Christians&#8221;.</p><p>I think it&#8217;s at least more honest to be a straight-up missionary that to play legal games of dividing your activities between your secular self and your devout self. A lot of missionaries do great work, and in my experience they&#8217;re highly respected by even those local people who don&#8217;t share their faith because (unlike most development workers) they come for the long haul, they learn local languages, and they build relationships. But if these people and their churches want credit for the good work they do as Christians, they should be funded as Christians. That is to say, they should be funded privately!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sceptical Secondo</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12121</link> <dc:creator>Sceptical Secondo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:46:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12121</guid> <description>Hi again ... yep, i think we do disagree this time.Nevertheless, can&#039;t we agree that within rationality as a system of thought, &#039;things&#039; are arranged hierarchically? For something to be rational, something else must be irrational. Now, I&#039;m no post-modernist, so I won&#039;t start arguing that your rejection of avoiding stepping on the cracks as a fully rational act is merely because you&#039;re caught up in modernist discourse. But to bring it a tad closer to the point here, how about means to &#039;development&#039;? It doesn&#039;t take long to see that different people and institutions hold different things to be rational which are often conflicting.Take IMF versus Action Aid policies. Are they both rational without considering towards an end? Secondly, on what grounds do you determine the rationality of that (/these) end(s)?My point is that whether a group does its bedtime reading in the company of St. Paul, Milton Friedman or Antonio Gramsci cannot be a legitimate deciding factor in government spending. What matters are their actual policies, actions and results and how these correspond to government policies.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again &#8230; yep, i think we do disagree this time.</p><p>Nevertheless, can&#8217;t we agree that within rationality as a system of thought, &#8216;things&#8217; are arranged hierarchically? For something to be rational, something else must be irrational. Now, I&#8217;m no post-modernist, so I won&#8217;t start arguing that your rejection of avoiding stepping on the cracks as a fully rational act is merely because you&#8217;re caught up in modernist discourse. But to bring it a tad closer to the point here, how about means to &#8216;development&#8217;? It doesn&#8217;t take long to see that different people and institutions hold different things to be rational which are often conflicting.</p><p>Take IMF versus Action Aid policies. Are they both rational without considering towards an end? Secondly, on what grounds do you determine the rationality of that (/these) end(s)?</p><p>My point is that whether a group does its bedtime reading in the company of St. Paul, Milton Friedman or Antonio Gramsci cannot be a legitimate deciding factor in government spending. What matters are their actual policies, actions and results and how these correspond to government policies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim Ogden</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12093</link> <dc:creator>Tim Ogden</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:39:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12093</guid> <description>NathanI think its equally plausible that some of the people objecting to the funding of Christian NGOs would not be objecting so strongly if the orgs in question were Buddhist, Taoist or Zoroastrian.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan</p><p>I think its equally plausible that some of the people objecting to the funding of Christian NGOs would not be objecting so strongly if the orgs in question were Buddhist, Taoist or Zoroastrian.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim Ogden</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12092</link> <dc:creator>Tim Ogden</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12092</guid> <description>To add some specifics into a philosophical conversation:1) In 2007(?), WHO ran a study (titled &quot;Appreciating Assets&quot;) of faith-based organizations participation in providing healthcare in Sub-Saharan Africa with specific focus on Zambia and Lesotho. Quoting: &quot;The study found that FBOs play a much greater role in disease prevention, care and treatment than previously thought in sub-Saharan Africa. The African Religious Health Assets Program (ARHAP) report estimates that between 30% and 70% of healthcare services in Africa are owned by faith-based organizations.&quot;Link to the Executive Summary: http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/executivesummaryARHAP.pdfSo, does anyone think it&#039;s a good choice to withdraw financial support for 30% to 70% of healthcare services in SSA?2) There is one paper that I know of that attempted to do some measurement of FBO health orgs (in Uganda no less) from Sept. 2005. The econometrics used are well beyond my ability to assess, and the conclusions may have been thoroughly debunked already, but if you haven&#039;t seen it, it&#039;s called Working for God by Reinikka and Svensson. Here&#039;s the SSRN link: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=508042</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add some specifics into a philosophical conversation:</p><p>1) In 2007(?), WHO ran a study (titled &#8220;Appreciating Assets&#8221;) of faith-based organizations participation in providing healthcare in Sub-Saharan Africa with specific focus on Zambia and Lesotho. Quoting:<br /> &#8220;The study found that FBOs play a much greater role in disease prevention, care and treatment than previously thought in sub-Saharan Africa. The African Religious Health Assets Program (ARHAP) report estimates that between 30% and 70% of healthcare services in Africa are owned by faith-based organizations.&#8221;</p><p>Link to the Executive Summary: <a href="http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/executivesummaryARHAP.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/executivesummaryARHAP.pdf</a></p><p>So, does anyone think it&#8217;s a good choice to withdraw financial support for 30% to 70% of healthcare services in SSA?</p><p>2) There is one paper that I know of that attempted to do some measurement of FBO health orgs (in Uganda no less) from Sept. 2005. The econometrics used are well beyond my ability to assess, and the conclusions may have been thoroughly debunked already, but if you haven&#8217;t seen it, it&#8217;s called Working for God by Reinikka and Svensson. Here&#8217;s the SSRN link: <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=508042" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=508042</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ranil Dissanayake</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12069</link> <dc:creator>Ranil Dissanayake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:46:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12069</guid> <description>Justin, I appreciate the discussion, but my point was that religious belief is irrational (not stupid - but it requires a leap of faith, rather than a rational construct). If an FBO does not use its religious beliefs as the basis for its work, then they should not be an FBO. If it does, it is based on an irrational primary concept.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, I appreciate the discussion, but my point was that religious belief is irrational (not stupid &#8211; but it requires a leap of faith, rather than a rational construct). If an FBO does not use its religious beliefs as the basis for its work, then they should not be an FBO. If it does, it is based on an irrational primary concept.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ranil Dissanayake</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12068</link> <dc:creator>Ranil Dissanayake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:45:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12068</guid> <description>We&#039;re going to have to disagree here.Rationality does not require any end, though it is a system of thought. Rational thought simply requires that all ideas are open and subject to scrutiny. For example, if I had a habit of avoiding walking on the cracks in the pavement, a rational analysis of it would look at whether it makes any practical difference to me whether or not I do; the answer would be not; the only reason I would avoid doing so is because I have convinced myself I should avoid doing so. Hence, it&#039;s an irrational belief.I don&#039;t have to have any end to achieve to subject that idea to rational analysis.I would however agree that much project cycle work is made to look rational in hindsight - I&#039;d have a big problem with these projects too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re going to have to disagree here.</p><p>Rationality does not require any end, though it is a system of thought. Rational thought simply requires that all ideas are open and subject to scrutiny. For example, if I had a habit of avoiding walking on the cracks in the pavement, a rational analysis of it would look at whether it makes any practical difference to me whether or not I do; the answer would be not; the only reason I would avoid doing so is because I have convinced myself I should avoid doing so. Hence, it&#8217;s an irrational belief.</p><p>I don&#8217;t have to have any end to achieve to subject that idea to rational analysis.</p><p>I would however agree that much project cycle work is made to look rational in hindsight &#8211; I&#8217;d have a big problem with these projects too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ranil Dissanayake</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12067</link> <dc:creator>Ranil Dissanayake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:41:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12067</guid> <description>Jusin - not to worry, debate is always welcome; you&#039;re right, religion has been hotly debated. But not on the basis of rationality; this is impossible because belief in a deity is not rational.On your second point about whether the programmes are any less rational than other projects - again, not necessarily. My problem is with the underlying motivation, which being religious, is not rational. If the programmes do not depend on this in some way, they should not be FBOs, but run on the basis of secular-rational argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jusin &#8211; not to worry, debate is always welcome; you&#8217;re right, religion has been hotly debated. But not on the basis of rationality; this is impossible because belief in a deity is not rational.</p><p>On your second point about whether the programmes are any less rational than other projects &#8211; again, not necessarily. My problem is with the underlying motivation, which being religious, is not rational. If the programmes do not depend on this in some way, they should not be FBOs, but run on the basis of secular-rational argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jarrod</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12043</link> <dc:creator>Jarrod</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:58:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12043</guid> <description>Chris, I too would like to see a well-done comparative study of the relative effectiveness.  An interesting aspect to consider here is that of selection effects.  Do FBOs who proselytize concentrate their work on the most vulnerable populations?  Do non-proselytizing FBOs do so?  If not, then we also have evidence from less vulnerable groups in which there exists some choice (however limited) on the part of the recipient, especially in the case of conditional aid.  Do those who accept aid under these circumstances differ fundamentally in some way?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I too would like to see a well-done comparative study of the relative effectiveness.  An interesting aspect to consider here is that of selection effects.  Do FBOs who proselytize concentrate their work on the most vulnerable populations?  Do non-proselytizing FBOs do so?  If not, then we also have evidence from less vulnerable groups in which there exists some choice (however limited) on the part of the recipient, especially in the case of conditional aid.  Do those who accept aid under these circumstances differ fundamentally in some way?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jane Reitsma</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12038</link> <dc:creator>Jane Reitsma</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12038</guid> <description>Thanks for your feedback Chris. The contributions to this conversation have been very interesting. I don&#039;t think this is about religious conversion. Anyone that has worked overseas knows that people in other countries are likely way more religious than North Americans (especially in countries where a lot of aid work takes place). And I don&#039;t think this is about being anti-religion. This is simply about whether government should fund FBO&#039;s. I come from an education background so it really concerns me when FBO&#039;s are miseducating people (or simply leaving out reasonable solutions) based on religions beliefs. Do you want your tax dollars going towards this? Now I have to find out what organization the Canadian government supports... Has me very curious!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your feedback Chris. The contributions to this conversation have been very interesting. I don&#8217;t think this is about religious conversion. Anyone that has worked overseas knows that people in other countries are likely way more religious than North Americans (especially in countries where a lot of aid work takes place). And I don&#8217;t think this is about being anti-religion. This is simply about whether government should fund FBO&#8217;s. I come from an education background so it really concerns me when FBO&#8217;s are miseducating people (or simply leaving out reasonable solutions) based on religions beliefs. Do you want your tax dollars going towards this? Now I have to find out what organization the Canadian government supports&#8230; Has me very curious!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12034</link> <dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12034</guid> <description>I have to agree with Justin. Religion is pretty hotly debated. On the other hand, that there is a consensus (in an academic rather than a lobbying sense) that there is such a thing as human rights and what they are, is something I think most philosophers would question.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Justin. Religion is pretty hotly debated. On the other hand, that there is a consensus (in an academic rather than a lobbying sense) that there is such a thing as human rights and what they are, is something I think most philosophers would question.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sceptical Secondo</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12033</link> <dc:creator>Sceptical Secondo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12033</guid> <description>Ranil, your idea of rationality as something in itself is simply a misconception. You cannot have rationality without &#039;towards some end&#039; and system of thought.And as a side-thought, I would say that a lot of project-cycle-thinking is really made to be rational in hindsight.Any &#039;development&#039; project, -programme, -activity .... will include meddling with identities. On rare occasion even in the way it was intended.In that respect, FBOs have their advantage in being explicit about motivation, which makes it that more easy to assess based on government/public motives.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranil, your idea of rationality as something in itself is simply a misconception. You cannot have rationality without &#8216;towards some end&#8217; and system of thought.</p><p>And as a side-thought, I would say that a lot of project-cycle-thinking is really made to be rational in hindsight.</p><p>Any &#8216;development&#8217; project, -programme, -activity &#8230;. will include meddling with identities. On rare occasion even in the way it was intended.</p><p>In that respect, FBOs have their advantage in being explicit about motivation, which makes it that more easy to assess based on government/public motives.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Justin Kraus</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12032</link> <dc:creator>Justin Kraus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:44:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12032</guid> <description>Ranil,Not to badger your comments, but the idea that religious beliefs are not the &quot;result of debate&quot; is extremely ahistorical.  The Reformation, the schism between the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, the emergence of Calvinism, just to confine ourselves to Christianity not to mention the uncountable schisms within other religions, all occurred because of profound, and I would judge extremely rationale, debates over the nature of humanity. My point is not to defend religion per say but simply to say that such ideologies are not practically, especially when it comes to implementing development projects, more handicapped in the &quot;rationale&quot; department than any other organization.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranil,</p><p>Not to badger your comments, but the idea that religious beliefs are not the &#8220;result of debate&#8221; is extremely ahistorical.  The Reformation, the schism between the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, the emergence of Calvinism, just to confine ourselves to Christianity not to mention the uncountable schisms within other religions, all occurred because of profound, and I would judge extremely rationale, debates over the nature of humanity.<br /> My point is not to defend religion per say but simply to say that such ideologies are not practically, especially when it comes to implementing development projects, more handicapped in the &#8220;rationale&#8221; department than any other organization.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Justin Kraus</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12031</link> <dc:creator>Justin Kraus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12031</guid> <description>Ranil&quot;Religious ideals are not rational: therefore should not be [publicly] funded.&quot; Without descending into philosophical pedantry, what exactly is &quot;rationale&quot;, or more to the point irrational, in a development context?  I don&#039;t know of any publicly funded development initiatives implemented by religious organizations that cannot be defended on rational grounds.  Care to give an example? The privileging of religious ideology is really a pretty outdated practice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranil</p><p>&#8220;Religious ideals are not rational: therefore should not be [publicly] funded.&#8221;<br /> Without descending into philosophical pedantry, what exactly is &#8220;rationale&#8221;, or more to the point irrational, in a development context?  I don&#8217;t know of any publicly funded development initiatives implemented by religious organizations that cannot be defended on rational grounds.  Care to give an example?<br /> The privileging of religious ideology is really a pretty outdated practice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ranil Dissanayake</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2010/03/02/is-faith-based-aid-a-failed-experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-12030</link> <dc:creator>Ranil Dissanayake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=4494#comment-12030</guid> <description>Human rights are the product of a great deal of argument, though, aren&#039;t they? They&#039;ve been discussed at least since the Greek and Roman philosopher-scholars and their conceptions have changed over time (they originally excluded slaves, for example). They can be debated, and I believe they have. I grew up in Hong Kong and still remember when Deng Xiaoping (I think) derided them as a &#039;Western concept&#039;.If there was an uncompromising atheist (with the former word a crucial one here) who talks about universal human rights and brooks no argument because he believes in them as unbreakable truths, I&#039;d have a problem with that, a big one.The difference would be that the the idea can still be debated, even if the individual won&#039;t let it be -because it&#039;s the product of rational argument, not based on any text invested with greater importance. The Declaration on Human Rights is only important insofar as it embodies an agreement made between actors arguing about what constitutes human rights that should be upheld. Any religious text is given importance because it is a religious text, not because the content has been debated and rationalised before it was entered into the text.My problem is most certainly not with religious people. Many I&#039;ve worked with have been better aid workers or better people because their beliefs have given them something that helps them get through hard times or that invests their work with more meaning. I have a great problem with an institution that is set up to uphold values that aren&#039;t open for debate or are not the result of debate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human rights are the product of a great deal of argument, though, aren&#8217;t they? They&#8217;ve been discussed at least since the Greek and Roman philosopher-scholars and their conceptions have changed over time (they originally excluded slaves, for example). They can be debated, and I believe they have. I grew up in Hong Kong and still remember when Deng Xiaoping (I think) derided them as a &#8216;Western concept&#8217;.</p><p>If there was an uncompromising atheist (with the former word a crucial one here) who talks about universal human rights and brooks no argument because he believes in them as unbreakable truths, I&#8217;d have a problem with that, a big one.</p><p>The difference would be that the the idea can still be debated, even if the individual won&#8217;t let it be -because it&#8217;s the product of rational argument, not based on any text invested with greater importance. The Declaration on Human Rights is only important insofar as it embodies an agreement made between actors arguing about what constitutes human rights that should be upheld. Any religious text is given importance because it is a religious text, not because the content has been debated and rationalised before it was entered into the text.</p><p>My problem is most certainly not with religious people. Many I&#8217;ve worked with have been better aid workers or better people because their beliefs have given them something that helps them get through hard times or that invests their work with more meaning. I have a great problem with an institution that is set up to uphold values that aren&#8217;t open for debate or are not the result of debate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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