<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Guantanamo: the new Canadian Hong Kong</title> <atom:link href="http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/</link> <description>International development, politics, economics, and policy</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:53:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: mcullinan</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-15015</link> <dc:creator>mcullinan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-15015</guid> <description>You&#039;ve missed two pieces of key criteria - uninhabited land and the condition of opting-in!!!  Your analogy to SD, San Antonio, and Miami completely disregards these factors.  We can  consider Guantanamo essentially &#039;uninhabited&#039; in terms of it not currently serving as an area for local economic activity and/or opportunity...and it would clearly be much more useful to Cubans if it were.I agree with your broader skepticism of the imbalanced relationship that Romer has framed between the host and administrative countries.  However, I believe there&#039;s reasonable potential to assume a more collaborative dynamic.Above all, your take is burdened in bias (seemingly anti-American).  The very function of this &#039;grand experiment&#039; that you deliver with such a malicious connotation, is to advance the quality of life for (in this case) Cubans.  Romer, this diabolical American you speak of!!! :-O, has contributed SIGNIFICANT work to advancing economic development and growth theory.  This is yet another creative and well-intentioned prospect...though the practicality of which can be debated, it&#039;s outrageous for you to try spin this as some sly machination of Paul Romer.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve missed two pieces of key criteria &#8211; uninhabited land and the condition of opting-in!!!  Your analogy to SD, San Antonio, and Miami completely disregards these factors.  We can  consider Guantanamo essentially &#8216;uninhabited&#8217; in terms of it not currently serving as an area for local economic activity and/or opportunity&#8230;and it would clearly be much more useful to Cubans if it were.</p><p>I agree with your broader skepticism of the imbalanced relationship that Romer has framed between the host and administrative countries.  However, I believe there&#8217;s reasonable potential to assume a more collaborative dynamic.</p><p>Above all, your take is burdened in bias (seemingly anti-American).  The very function of this &#8216;grand experiment&#8217; that you deliver with such a malicious connotation, is to advance the quality of life for (in this case) Cubans.  Romer, this diabolical American you speak of!!! :-O, has contributed SIGNIFICANT work to advancing economic development and growth theory.  This is yet another creative and well-intentioned prospect&#8230;though the practicality of which can be debated, it&#8217;s outrageous for you to try spin this as some sly machination of Paul Romer.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charter Cities &#8211; visionary, naive or bonkers?</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-8360</link> <dc:creator>From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charter Cities &#8211; visionary, naive or bonkers?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:13:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-8360</guid> <description>[...] Chris Blattman has also blogged on this, Paul Romer has responded to his criticisms here, and Chris, in determined search of the last word, has responded to Romerâ€™s response here. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Blattman has also blogged on this, Paul Romer has responded to his criticisms here, and Chris, in determined search of the last word, has responded to Romerâ€™s response here. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cities of the North &#171; Andrew Leigh</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7888</link> <dc:creator>Cities of the North &#171; Andrew Leigh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:40:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7888</guid> <description>[...] here. And Chris Blattman responds (and Romer [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here. And Chris Blattman responds (and Romer [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cities of the North : Core Economics</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7886</link> <dc:creator>Cities of the North : Core Economics</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:39:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7886</guid> <description>[...] here. And Chris Blattman responds (and Romer [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here. And Chris Blattman responds (and Romer [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Living Just Enough for the City? Extended Thoughts on the Charter Cities Proposal &#171; Aid Thoughts</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7663</link> <dc:creator>Living Just Enough for the City? Extended Thoughts on the Charter Cities Proposal &#171; Aid Thoughts</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:12:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7663</guid> <description>[...] Charter Cities idea yet? Chris Blattman heard him speak about it recently, announced himself interested and unconvinced â€“ and Romer responded eloquently within a week. Aid Watch even gave him a Q&amp;A in which to [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Charter Cities idea yet? Chris Blattman heard him speak about it recently, announced himself interested and unconvinced â€“ and Romer responded eloquently within a week. Aid Watch even gave him a Q&amp;A in which to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evolution versus rÃ©volution et &#8220;proto-citÃ©s&#8221; &#171; RationalitÃ© LimitÃ©e</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7626</link> <dc:creator>Evolution versus rÃ©volution et &#8220;proto-citÃ©s&#8221; &#171; RationalitÃ© LimitÃ©e</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:57:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7626</guid> <description>[...] Ã  mettreÂ enÂ place ex nihilo des rÃ¨gles alignant de maniÃ¨re efficace les incitations, commeÂ le note Chris Blattman. Et, si l&#8217;on peut penser que une telle proto-citÃ© corrigerait progressivement ses [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ã  mettreÂ enÂ place ex nihilo des rÃ¨gles alignant de maniÃ¨re efficace les incitations, commeÂ le note Chris Blattman. Et, si l&#8217;on peut penser que une telle proto-citÃ© corrigerait progressivement ses [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the right charter city analogy &#171; Publius&#8217; Napkin</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7618</link> <dc:creator>the right charter city analogy &#171; Publius&#8217; Napkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:10:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7618</guid> <description>[...] right charter city&#160;analogy  Chris Blattman and Paul Romer provide a productive back-and-forth on Romer&#8217;s charter cities idea. Blattman [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] right charter city&nbsp;analogy  Chris Blattman and Paul Romer provide a productive back-and-forth on Romer&#8217;s charter cities idea. Blattman [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc Bilodeau</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7386</link> <dc:creator>Marc Bilodeau</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:40:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7386</guid> <description>Just like an American to propose using another country&#039;s sovereign territory to conduct a grand experiment.  Guatanamo is sovereign Cuban land leased to the U.S. under a century old treaty.  For more than half a century, the Cuban government has been asking for it back.  What should the U.S. do with Guantanamo?  Clean up all toxic substances and garbage dumps, and leave.  The Cubans will do whatever they want with it.  I&#039;d like to propose that San Diego, or San Antonio or Miami, be converted into Charter cities.  No need to ask the people of these places what they think of the plan.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like an American to propose using another country&#8217;s sovereign territory to conduct a grand experiment.  Guatanamo is sovereign Cuban land leased to the U.S. under a century old treaty.  For more than half a century, the Cuban government has been asking for it back.  What should the U.S. do with Guantanamo?  Clean up all toxic substances and garbage dumps, and leave.  The Cubans will do whatever they want with it.  I&#8217;d like to propose that San Diego, or San Antonio or Miami, be converted into Charter cities.  No need to ask the people of these places what they think of the plan.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kerol Lundy</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7359</link> <dc:creator>Kerol Lundy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7359</guid> <description>I like Mr. Paul Romerâ€™s presentation and I feel because I have known and lived â€œNelsonâ€ situation. Since he took Haiti as an example of bad governance, I would agree with his comment one hundred percent. It seems to me that his proposal for developing a free economic zone under the aegis of a particular economic power where nationals of that given country would be able to go to work and make an income aimed at cutting migration from country A to B. That would solve a lot of problems and bring a solution to illegal immigration. In the case of Guantanamo Bay, thousand of Cubans would find jobs, as it was the case of Hong Kong, thus cutting the flow of illegal washing ashore in Florida. I think that the same thing can be said for Haiti. If we beg the US or Canada, France, or Brazil to create a Charter City-like free zone initiatives (free economic enclave) in Haiti, that would in cut migration out of the country but increase it form the inside where peasant would abandon land to go for low paying job in the cities. I am surprise that France and Spain did not build up on that idea to Charter City-like free zone initiatives in Senegal or Morocco to cut migration from former colonies.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Mr. Paul Romerâ€™s presentation and I feel because I have known and lived â€œNelsonâ€ situation. Since he took Haiti as an example of bad governance, I would agree with his comment one hundred percent. It seems to me that his proposal for developing a free economic zone under the aegis of a particular economic power where nationals of that given country would be able to go to work and make an income aimed at cutting migration from country A to B. That would solve a lot of problems and bring a solution to illegal immigration. In the case of Guantanamo Bay, thousand of Cubans would find jobs, as it was the case of Hong Kong, thus cutting the flow of illegal washing ashore in Florida. I think that the same thing can be said for Haiti. If we beg the US or Canada, France, or Brazil to create a Charter City-like free zone initiatives (free economic enclave) in Haiti, that would in cut migration out of the country but increase it form the inside where peasant would abandon land to go for low paying job in the cities.<br /> I am surprise that France and Spain did not build up on that idea to Charter City-like free zone initiatives in Senegal or Morocco to cut migration from former colonies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Phillip Huggan</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7289</link> <dc:creator>Phillip Huggan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:38:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7289</guid> <description>I would think brainstorming the rules is the key step.  If you have them good a progressive Mayor like Chicago&#039;s or a progressive existing underutilized town like the bald Midwest mayor&#039;s who appeared on the Daily Show about Green Jobs, he would welcome the USA unemployed/homeless migrants. Where this specifically fails is Canada doesn&#039;t want Naval responsibilities in Carribean.  There is an island we want to own to avoid currency transaction costs for vacationers, but we don&#039;t want to pay to defend it given Arctic sovereignty issues with world&#039;s largest navies.In general, you need to invest lots before the unskilled uneducated labourers can pay taxes.  They will start out as farmer labourers without this investment.  Might be a project for an oil sultan assuming some skill immigrants but they&#039;d want some of your to-be-reinvested profits.  As social experiments to determine some optimal policies cities might pay for themselve.  I&#039;ve speculated on an arctic island for emergency climate refugees but need to get the costs of living down.  Quite frankly, distressed refugees used to farming cassava won&#039;t form useful development policy using democracy unless some skilled workers are also a part of the equation.  Apart from the funding issue I like the minset.  Maybe language and trade Universities and then send them to be nurses wherever?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think brainstorming the rules is the key step.  If you have them good a progressive Mayor like Chicago&#8217;s or a progressive existing underutilized town like the bald Midwest mayor&#8217;s who appeared on the Daily Show about Green Jobs, he would welcome the USA unemployed/homeless migrants.<br /> Where this specifically fails is Canada doesn&#8217;t want Naval responsibilities in Carribean.  There is an island we want to own to avoid currency transaction costs for vacationers, but we don&#8217;t want to pay to defend it given Arctic sovereignty issues with world&#8217;s largest navies.</p><p>In general, you need to invest lots before the unskilled uneducated labourers can pay taxes.  They will start out as farmer labourers without this investment.  Might be a project for an oil sultan assuming some skill immigrants but they&#8217;d want some of your to-be-reinvested profits.  As social experiments to determine some optimal policies cities might pay for themselve.  I&#8217;ve speculated on an arctic island for emergency climate refugees but need to get the costs of living down.  Quite frankly, distressed refugees used to farming cassava won&#8217;t form useful development policy using democracy unless some skilled workers are also a part of the equation.  Apart from the funding issue I like the minset.  Maybe language and trade Universities and then send them to be nurses wherever?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: What does Paul Romer think of Dubai?</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7279</link> <dc:creator>What does Paul Romer think of Dubai?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:30:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7279</guid> <description>[...] what does he think of Dubai? Chris Blattman paraphrases Romer&#8217;s view: &#8230;unlike Dubai (which proves a city can be built anywhere) weâ€™ll let the workers bring [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what does he think of Dubai? Chris Blattman paraphrases Romer&#8217;s view: &#8230;unlike Dubai (which proves a city can be built anywhere) weâ€™ll let the workers bring [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Forrest</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7241</link> <dc:creator>Forrest</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7241</guid> <description>What did you make of Aghion&#039;s paper? It seems to me that Northern developed mitigation technology often won&#039;t be appropriate to Southern conditions, hence tech transfer will be limited.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did you make of Aghion&#8217;s paper? It seems to me that Northern developed mitigation technology often won&#8217;t be appropriate to Southern conditions, hence tech transfer will be limited.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Openworld</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7238</link> <dc:creator>Openworld</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:27:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7238</guid> <description>Appreciate your post and its insights. Yet I think your comments may overlook proven, locally-driven paths by which Charter City-like free zone initiatives can emerge and thrive.As Alvin Rabushka of the Hoover Institution has noted, once political rentseekers have suffocated their economies, the one remaining favor left for them to â€œpork barrelâ€ is an exemption from their predations.  This locally-driven approach to turning failed systems inside-out has led to creation of hundreds of new freeports and free zones (including China and Indiaâ€™s SEZs, as well as scores of private free zones such as ZonAmerica in Uruguay and dozens of others in the western hemisphere). These locally-originated free zones have become the fastest growing parts of the world economy.Rather than make partnerships with foreign governments the cornerstone of their free zone strategies, sponsoring countries have developed innovations to build trust (through eGovernment pilots and rent- rather than tax-dependent public sector funding systems) in the newly-liberalized business climates. Openworld is extending â€œchallenge offersâ€ of microvouchers and work-study projects to further understanding of such innovations, and awaken understanding of the free zone benefits at grassroots levels in impoverished regions.In our future support to entrepreneurial schools in poor areas, we are interested in encouraging student research (summarized in YouTube videos) on areas of interest to the Charter Cities, Free Cities, and related proposals -- and especially in how high-trust implementation systems can be developed locally rather than through dependence on foreign states. Weâ€™ll welcome thoughts by your and your blog readers on priority issues that high school and university-level students might explore.Further information on free zones and the Openworld â€œSeeds of Changeâ€ strategy can be found at â€“http://www.openworld.com http://www.entrepreneurialschools.com http://www.openworldinstitute.orgWe look forward to communications on possible next steps.Mark Frazier @openworld (Twitter)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate your post and its insights. Yet I think your comments may overlook proven, locally-driven paths by which Charter City-like free zone initiatives can emerge and thrive.</p><p>As Alvin Rabushka of the Hoover Institution has noted, once political rentseekers have suffocated their economies, the one remaining favor left for them to â€œpork barrelâ€ is an exemption from their predations.  This locally-driven approach to turning failed systems inside-out has led to creation of hundreds of new freeports and free zones (including China and Indiaâ€™s SEZs, as well as scores of private free zones such as ZonAmerica in Uruguay and dozens of others in the western hemisphere). These locally-originated free zones have become the fastest growing parts of the world economy.</p><p>Rather than make partnerships with foreign governments the cornerstone of their free zone strategies, sponsoring countries have developed innovations to build trust (through eGovernment pilots and rent- rather than tax-dependent public sector funding systems) in the newly-liberalized business climates. Openworld is extending â€œchallenge offersâ€ of microvouchers and work-study projects to further understanding of such innovations, and awaken understanding of the free zone benefits at grassroots levels in impoverished regions.</p><p>In our future support to entrepreneurial schools in poor areas, we are interested in encouraging student research (summarized in YouTube videos) on areas of interest to the Charter Cities, Free Cities, and related proposals &#8212; and especially in how high-trust implementation systems can be developed locally rather than through dependence on foreign states. Weâ€™ll welcome thoughts by your and your blog readers on priority issues that high school and university-level students might explore.</p><p>Further information on free zones and the Openworld â€œSeeds of Changeâ€ strategy can be found at â€“</p><p><a href="http://www.openworld.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.openworld.com</a><br /> <a href="http://www.entrepreneurialschools.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.entrepreneurialschools.com</a><br /> <a href="http://www.openworldinstitute.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openworldinstitute.org</a></p><p>We look forward to communications on possible next steps.</p><p>Mark Frazier<br /> @openworld (Twitter)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ranil Dissanayake</title><link>http://chrisblattman.com/2009/09/24/guantanamo-the-new-canadian-hong-kong/comment-page-1/#comment-7219</link> <dc:creator>Ranil Dissanayake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:38:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chrisblattman.com/?p=3510#comment-7219</guid> <description>I think the biggest problems these Charter Cities would encounter would be social tensions and identity politics. These issues can have real impacts on the economy, particularly when trading and credit associations may well either use pre-existing identities as a way of generating &#039;guarantees&#039; or create new ones according to how the successful and those with access to credit evolve.Besides, one of the reasons Hong Kong works is it&#039;s geographical position and historical ties with the rest of Asia. Because it was a natural port, it served as an import-export hub for China and much else of the East and South East Asian region well before it became a banking centre (which arguably was largely possible because of its historic ties with the rest of the region).Having lived in HK for 17 years, it still surprises me how little its socio-economy is understood outside of it. It&#039;s not as liberal and free market as commonly assumed (though taxes are very low), and its &#039;success&#039; masks some remaining urban poverty.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest problems these Charter Cities would encounter would be social tensions and identity politics. These issues can have real impacts on the economy, particularly when trading and credit associations may well either use pre-existing identities as a way of generating &#8216;guarantees&#8217; or create new ones according to how the successful and those with access to credit evolve.</p><p>Besides, one of the reasons Hong Kong works is it&#8217;s geographical position and historical ties with the rest of Asia. Because it was a natural port, it served as an import-export hub for China and much else of the East and South East Asian region well before it became a banking centre (which arguably was largely possible because of its historic ties with the rest of the region).</p><p>Having lived in HK for 17 years, it still surprises me how little its socio-economy is understood outside of it. It&#8217;s not as liberal and free market as commonly assumed (though taxes are very low), and its &#8216;success&#8217; masks some remaining urban poverty.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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